L.A. Show Favorites and driving a custom Land Rover Defender | Autoblog Podcast #757

In this episode of the Autoblog Podcast, Editor-in-Chief Greg Migliore is joined by News Editor Joel Stocksdale. We recap the Los Angeles Auto Show and discuss what it was like and what our favorite reveals were. We also discuss a few of the cars we've been driving including a restomod Land Rover Defender from Osprey Custom Cars and our long-term Kia EV6 GT-Line. Plus, we discuss the GMT400 Chevy and GMC trucks starting to rise in value.

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GREG MIGLIORE: Welcome back to the "Autoblog" podcast. I'm Greg Migliore. We have an awesome show for you. We're going to talk about everything that transpired at the LA Auto Show. With that, I'll bring in news editor, Joel Stocksdale. How are you?

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Doing all right.

GREG MIGLIORE: Freshly back from LA, where you saw lots of things. We touched out a few of them last week in the podcast, things like the Genesis X and the Prius. But there's a lot more. The 911 off-road rally themed Porsche, I think it looks pretty awesome. It also won our best in show. That is the editors' pick that gets the most points as voted on by our editors.

We have the full rundown of that. If you're listening to this, probably getting ready for your Thanksgiving dinner perhaps. We're going to try to get this dropped into your feed a little bit earlier this week.

The editors' picks did drop on Monday. So we'll talk about it here, but you can also scroll back through the site and find them. And lots of good stuff there. Full coverage of LA. We've got our mega gallery up too. So yeah.

Quickly, we'll talk about the Osprey Defender. Joel drove that. That is a different breed. It's definitely a defender that's different than probably most that the general public at least has experienced in recent years. And we have an update on our long-term EV6. We have some time, we'll get to, believe it or not, the GMT400 line of pickup trucks.

With that, you were in LA. You've been to a lot of auto shows over the years. And you know, what was just the general mood like? What did it feel like? Did it feel like a real auto show?

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Well, compared to Detroit, absolutely. But that's kind of a low bar.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: It was probably fairly similar to last year, which-- so like, it definitely felt very kind of typical LA auto show just on kind of a smaller scale. Kind of some of the trends that we've seen at other shows, just fewer automakers with like official manufacturer-backed booths and representation. Like Mazda didn't have its own booth. It was the Mazda representation was there from the Galpin dealer group out in Los Angeles, which is probably one of the biggest dealer groups in the country.

But besides that, I mean, it was still-- it felt fairly auto showey. Quite a good number of major debuts over at this show, significantly more than like Detroit. Where because at Detroit, there were a whole bunch of reveals done like beforehand. But this time, for LA, there-- it was like people were back at the show doing their reveals. So that was kind of refreshing and fun.

GREG MIGLIORE: So I'm curious what the vibe was, as far as like was it busy? Was it like too busy? You know, how-- when you walked around the floor and you've got like some automaker like displays and things and reveals, but you've also got a lot of dealer group things which until two years ago that was almost unthinkable at a major auto show. What was just the vibe? What were people saying?

JOEL STOCKSDALE: I mean, there was definitely busyness around the reveals. When I was over at the Hyundai press conference kind of at the start of the day, the crowd that gathered for that was quite large. Which was a little bit surprising considering that the IONIQ 6, which was making its North American debut here, had already been revealed beforehand. And there have even been some first drives for it.

Granted, this was also the first time that we'd gotten to see the N Vision 74 concept, the hydrogen fuel cell retro concept, based on the Hyundai Pony Coupe. And there was an interesting story told about its connections to the De Lorean and also the fact that Hyundai had come fairly close to producing the Hyundai Pony Coupe back in the '70s. But it had been scrapped after a couple of years of development.

So yeah, it was interesting. Because it definitely felt like a full auto show in a number of ways, but it's still just-- it's still small scale compared to like pre-pandemic.

GREG MIGLIORE: Fair enough. So that's the vibe. But there were a fair amount of things to talk about. We were able to do our editors' picks. And the top one, of course, is best in show. So it was pretty-- you know, I think there was enough there. Let's put it that way.

I'll do a quick rundown and then we can kind of break these down. We vote based on points. You can award up to 10 points to any one single vehicle, and you have 25 total points to award among the five vehicles you so choose. So strategically, if you have a favorite, you want to probably give that one as many points as you can but distribute your points judiciously to try to get some of your others on the board. At least, that's my approach.

Other people, you know, do different things. They spread things out, or maybe they don't even have a position they want to take so they just kind of divide them up equally as more of like a protest vote. But this year, a lot of support, perhaps not surprisingly given Word Enthusiast website for the 911 Dakar. This one, you know, and I put this in my comments.

You know, I always go back to what's the car I would just want to drive home from the show. And to me, that is the epitome of best in show. So it's always a very simple decision for that. And there was some pretty strong, I think, competition here. You know, there was a lot of things. Like you could argue the Prius is more significant. The IONIQ 6 is certainly a design statement and it's electric.

But for me just, this cut through the clutter. And I, you know, again, I wrote this, I got to give Porsche a lot of credit. If they did this a couple of years ago this is like a side story in Frankfurt or Geneva, maybe New York. You know, it's like the car they reveal at like VW group night the night before the show. Or they do it like an off-site at like a bar or something. This, they made up their spotlight thing. And it was a big deal. And it was cool.

And enthusiasts like us love it. We love the history behind it. And we love what it can do. And they're actually going to build it. They're going to make, I think, what, 2,500 of these things? So there is some practical ramifications here. That's a great thing.

And also, if you're just going to the LA Auto Show or reading about it in the last week, you're like, what the hell is that? That's like an all-wheel drive Porsche that's lifted with like wheel arches. They're bringing in a whole new audience to the Porsche brand, which I think is a great thing.

Maybe I'm being a little dramatic here. But it's really a nice play to like the show-goer who's just like, whoa, that's a cool Porsche, but also the enthusiast base.

So to me that's-- this is the way you approach an auto show right now. And that's obviously why I voted for it. But thoughts on that, Joel?

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Yeah, so the 911 Dakar, it's-- so the last few years, something that's been very popular are-- has been people taking cars, lifting them, giving them bigger tires, making them look kind of like old Africa Safari rally cars. And to tell you the truth, I have gotten a little bit weary of that when it comes to the custom route.

But part of that is just because a lot of people that when they're kind of building these sort of Safari Dakar style rally sports cars is that for the most part, they do kind of like a cheap lift and throw on some chunky tires, throw on some lights and stuff, kind of call it a day.

It's not exactly actually built for any kind of real off-road or rally purpose. And so, I often kind of feel like really people are kind of making their cars worse by giving them heavier tires and kind of poor suspension upgrades.

However, this is a very different thing. Because this has all been developed in-house by Porsche so that it will still be-- it will still drive like a Porsche, but now it can do it in the dirt and on gravel and things. And so, I think it's fairly-- I think it's pretty neat.

And as I and a number of other people noted, in a lot of places this will actually probably be one of the more comfortable and nicer to drive 911's. I know the driving around in Detroit, having a little bit more sidewall and a little bit more suspension travel would probably make this [LAUGHS] significantly more comfortable than a regular 911 while also still driving like a 911.

I'm a little split about the 2,500 unit cap. I mean, I'm glad that it's not less than that. But at the same time, it's like, I feel like Porsche may be underestimating the demand and interest in a car like this. I mean, like I mentioned, in the aftermarket world and with like older cars, building stuff like this has gotten really popular.

I think quite a few people would be interested in having kind of this chunky sort of almost rally kind of 911. So I kind of wish that they would up the production capacity and make it a little bit more available because I think they could actually sell them.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: And also, I worry about it being limited production and then becoming this highly sought-after collector 911 as opposed to a 911 that's actually going to be like driven and enjoyed. Because like with the 911 R that came out a number-- a few years back, it was basically a 911 GT3-- well, the GT3 Touring came out later and was very much what the 911 R was.

And it was almost-- it was brought out kind of as a response to the fact that people were buying 911 R's and basically just squirreling them away, not driving them, and then like speculating on the value of it. And so, the value just ballooned to ridiculous amounts. And so, it just became kind of a collector investor kind of thing.

And Porsche does that to an extent. But that's not their-- I mean, they're a more volume sports car maker than, say, like Ferrari or Lamborghini. And they pride themselves on their cars being very drivable. I mean, not that like those other makers don't. But I would hate for this to end up as one of those 911's that just gets hidden away in garages and is never driven and enjoyed.

GREG MIGLIORE: I fear that will be the case, though. With just 2,500 globally and a starting sticker price of like 22,450 including destination? I mean, how else could it be anything but? You know, when you're talking about a car that is that rare and that expensive, you kind of have to be a maniac to drive it regularly, no matter the fact that it's probably going to be one of the easier Porsche 911's to handle in somewhat daily driving.

Maybe they find a way to make more of a not entry but lower-priced option that's at least below $200,000. You know, something that is in the realm of like the higher-end higher-performance 911's that you're not afraid to use, that in fact should use on the track and at high pressure situations. Maybe they can find a way to do that. I don't know. I mean, it's awesome.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: I mean, here's the thing. The thing is, though, is that $200,000 is not unusual for a high-end 911. As pointed out in our editor James Riswick's article about it, there are 911's that costs more than the Dakar. The GT3 RS, the Turbo S Cabriolet, both of those cost more. Like $220,000 is kind of normal for higher spec 911's.

So again, it's like I'd like to see Porsche just go ahead and expand their production cap on this.

GREG MIGLIORE: That is also, I think, even more than the price. Because, you know, fair point. You know, if Porsches are expensive, like exotics are expensive. You know, SUVs, you think of like an F-type SVR or something, or a really high-end Cayenne, you know, they're expensive. Aston Martin DBX, it's certainly not limited to sports cars. But it's just making so few of these, it's going to be tough to, in my mind, see the momentum more of a mainstream application.

But also, to my earlier point, by doing this at the LA Auto Show and making this their big reveal they're making it a bigger discussion point. And I think that's a great thing. It's like, what do you do next? You know, you've got people's attention.

Like do you think people in LA, or New York, or Detroit go to an auto show and are like, oh, hey, yeah, we're really read in on the history of Porsche's rallying activities? No. But they're looking at that car and they're like, that thing looks awesome. What is that? How could I get that?

So I think they should try to capitalize on it in some way, even if this-- like it's almost like a bait and switch. Like hey, we did this 911. But your Cayenne could get some kind of maybe rally inspired goodies or something. I don't know. But it's pretty cool.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: The other things is that there's clearly, like besides just noting the aftermarket, there's definitely a demand out there for this kind of vehicle, because Lamborghini has one coming right up in the next couple of weeks, the Lamborghini Huracan Sterrato.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: We've seen pictures of it. And we've seen it driving. We don't know the whole specs on it yet. But it's got-- it's lifted. It's got chunky tires. It's got big fender flares. It's got extra driving lights on the nose, like it's this but with that extra Lamborghini craziness. So clearly there is a market there. I think it would be kind of silly for Porsche to not just go ahead and make the most of this.

GREG MIGLIORE: Agreed. Agreed. Let's talk about a few others. The rundown of the voting, I'll just tell everybody, why not. This had 64 points, far and away the most. Number two is the Prius. Number three was the Genesis X. That's 45 for the Toyota, 42 for the Genesis X.

And then there was a bit of a drop-off to the IONIQ 6 which brought things up. And then we had the Fiat 500e, a little bit of a sleeper pick. I think. [LAUGHS] One voter gave it a fair amount of votes, which allowed it to creep up into the top five, and that's great. It made nine, which elevated it above a couple of other things.

A voting sort of trend that I think is kind of interesting is the Subaru Impreza got votes from literally almost everybody. Everybody but two or three people left it off their ballots. But it had seven points and was not allowed to creep in to that top five.

You know, if this were like an electoral college, you know, the Fiat 500e got like New York or you know Texas style voting blocs, if you will, and then the others, you know, that pushed it ahead. But that's inside baseball.

Let's talk about the next couple of runners up. I think it was a very fair choice, if you will, for like the Prius to be second. I mean, it's just-- it was clearly obviously the most important car of the show. I mean, when you look at like if we had a most significant award, it would be the Prius. It's the new Prius. And it's pretty good-looking.

So I think, you know, we went over the specs of the car last week on the show and of course, on the site. Hugely important vehicle. I think it was a good richly deserved number two. I think maybe with a different group of voters it would have been number one. But that's fine. We're Autoblog. It is what it is. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. You gave it some points. What do you think, Joel?

JOEL STOCKSDALE: I think it's super neat. And if I had been in charge of the top picks, I may-- I think I would have put it ahead of the Dakar, mainly because this is a much more significant vehicle being that it's way more affordable. This is something that like normal people are going to be able to buy.

We don't know the exact pricing, but I mean, we can infer that it will probably be priced similar to the current one. And the current one, every version of it starts under $30,000. It may creep up a little bit as is the style of the time. [LAUGHS] But the fact that this is something that normal people are going to be able to have access to.

The fact that it looks really-- it looks really striking. The wedge shape is crazy on it. I like the big fat fenders. It's really clean. And the fact that it is a normal car. And the specs are just so much better. It's now got around 200 horsepower, give or take, depending on which version you get.

And the Prime has more range. It should get around 37 miles of range, which is a lot of electric range and will cover things for most people most of the time. And I'm looking forward to when we can go fully electric. But I do feel like good plug-in hybrids are important for kind of getting people to at least substantially zero-emission driving sooner than later.

So it's a neat car that's also important and is also something that normal people can get a hold of. And all of that is why I ranked it so highly.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah. Looking at the numbers here, you gave it-- I see you gave it 10 points. You did give the Dakar 911 eight points. So clearly you like the Porsche in that ballpark. But I actually voted fairly similarly. I gave the 911 10 and then the Prius seven. So not that far apart either. I did end up using slightly different criteria, if you will.

And that's kind of how my totals reflected it. That's kind of how it looks like everybody else's did. But you know, the Prius is hugely important. And the redesign is, to me they crushed it. It's a very interesting looking attractive looking hybrid. It's a legitimate now plug-in hybrid with all that extended range. So it's really a force.

There was a headline in"Automotive News" today that I didn't get a chance to fully go through. But it's like, it makes the argument that this now is the argument against going full electric, for people who want to make that argument. Whether that's good or bad, that's, you know, for you to decide.

But if you want a really good hybrid or a really good plug-in hybrid, you now have the Prius for another 10 years, you know? I mean, at least as long as this generation goes on. So it's, yeah, that was an interesting way of looking at it, if you will. So that's the Prius.

A couple of others here I think we got to get into, obviously. The Genesis X, drop-dead gorgeous. You know, this is like the third in the trilogy, if you will, of Genesis concepts. The lighting is just amazing. Zac Palmer was at the reveal, our road test guy. He had some great shots from just-- they did it kind of like at the golden hour, it looks like.

You know, honestly, this is, to me, this is like the quintessential third place thing in your editors' picks. It's just something that rolls up. It wins on style. So I think that's actually how I voted it too. But I think it looks really good. And I think it's, you know, another good, you know, attention-getting device for Genesis.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Yeah. It's an amazing-looking car. And I would have ranked it higher, but I'm still waiting for Genesis to go ahead and green-light this line of cars. Like we've seen a regular Coupe. We've seen kind of a shooting brake wagoney Coupe. And now I've seen a convertible over the course of a couple of years. They all look excellent.

I think when the first one came out, or even the second one, I wrote an opinion that said, Genesis, build it. They still haven't done-- they still haven't greenlit it. It's like, guys, come on. This thing is gorgeous.

Hyundai Motor Group clearly has the resources and the, I guess, gumption to put things into production that aren't necessarily going to be like giant sellers but are very cool kind of image-building cars. That's Genesis X. Just do it.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Stop Messing. Around with the concepts. Just do it. Everybody likes it. We've liked all three versions of it. Just produce it. And when that production one comes out, I'll probably rank it best in show, personally. So that's-- [LAUGHS] I'll just leave it there. It's gorgeous. Build it.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah. I couldn't say it better myself. Let's leave it there. Hyundai IONIQ 6, this is one that I wasn't even sure if this was going to get votes from people or even like broader attention just of the, like the automotive media. Stuff like this does tend to get like mainstream pickup.

Because generally like daily newspapers et cetera don't always pick up on the nuance that something isn't like a global reveal, it's just the first time they've seen it, or it showed up at like their auto show. And that's fine.

That's literally another element for making the case for keeping auto shows relevant, you know. The Southern California audience had never see the IONIQ 6 in person. Most US audiences haven't, to be fair.

So this is another style-maker from Hyundai Motor Co, not surprised. I'm, you know, I'm of a few different minds on this one. You know, it's dramatic styling. I didn't like it at first, but it's grown on me. I gave it some points. But you know, it's getting into a very, you know, competitive segment.

You know, it looks like you gave it some points too obviously. We're kind of in the same ballpark on that. But you know, I think you liked it a little bit less than I did. But actually, as I look at it, but we were very close, let's put it that way. But I mean, another style play.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Yeah. So I would have given this more points if it had been like a global reveal.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: And the thing is, pre-pandemic we didn't really do anything on like North American reveals.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Because usually there were enough global reveals to kind of fill things out. Still, this was a pretty significant one, because we did finally get like specs for the North American one. And as expected, powertrains are basically identical to IONIQ 5 because this is basically the sedan version of the IONIQ 5.

It does have substantially better range. It can get over 300 miles of range. And a big part of that is because of the shape. It's really, really aerodynamic. It's a 0.22 coefficient of drag. And the thing is, it is a really cool looking car.

And it looks much, much better in person than it does in photos. I think in photos, photos tend to exaggerate how droopy the front and rear ends are. And it doesn't look that way in person. It looks a little bit more-- it looks more elegant in person. And you can really appreciate more of the neat details in person, the little pixel details of some of the sculpting in the lines.

It's got a really neat third brake light. I love the translucent antenna on top. Yeah. It's very, very neat in person. And it has the fantastic power train that is in the IONIQ 5, and the KIA EV6, and all those other E-GMP cars. So I think it's definitely deserving of mention.

But I did rank the next car on the list higher. [LAUGHS] But not everybody did that.

GREG MIGLIORE: Well, to be fair, you-- the next car on the list is, of course, the Fiat E, which rounds out our top five. It's interesting because this got a lot of-- well, it got a lot of support from two people. And that allowed it to creep into the top five. I thought about voting for this.

This is actually one of the things too where, to your point-- and not to get too inside baseball-- a couple of years ago, I wouldn't have voted for this because it wasn't an actual global reveal. That was the criteria we used.

But now, even global reveals are getting like weird. You know, it's like it's a live stream. OK, well, is that really a reveal? Yeah, I guess it is. But then the thing shows up at the show, so we can't vote on it.

Well, that's kind of weird. And maybe not even-- doesn't make sense. But that's also more like our own rules. We shouldn't get caught up on them. It was there, so it was a good thing to vote on.

But to your point, this is one that maybe might have gotten a little more support under different circumstances. And it's-- I'm honestly surprised they're doing this. But there may be-- Fiat may be able to thread the needle here.

This is, of course, our fifth place editors' pick. That is the Fiat 500e. I kind of thought the 500e was almost dead, or the 500 was almost dead, because it doesn't seem like there's a huge market for it. But clearly, Fiat has other ideas.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Yeah. So I mean, I picked it because, again, while this was not exactly a global reveal, this was confirming that 500e is actually coming to the US, a model that--

GREG MIGLIORE: It's a big deal, man. You're right.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: --that a lot of us had thought was not ever going to come to America. And I'm excited for it. Because, hopefully, it will be priced fairly low and deliver a decent range and be kind of a cool alternative to like an entry-level Nissan Leaf or Mini Cooper SE.

And I mean, it's a great-looking car. We actually got up close and personal with it at the New York show where it just kind of appeared with no fanfare, no information, it just was there. [LAUGHS] And we were all very confused by it. But it may have just been kind of a move to sort of start gauging public opinion.

We did have a roundtable interview with Fiat's brand manager. And he told us a lot of really interesting stuff about Fiat. Like indeed, it-- there's not a big market for it. [LAUGHS] And they're trying to use that to their advantage in the way that the Fiat 500e will be the first electric car that any Stellantis brand sells in the US, which is a pretty interesting way to go.

And basically, they're going to use Fiat as kind of a test bed for like, OK, we're going to start with kind of a small brand, small car, small sales, and dip our toe kind of in the EV market, see what it takes to take care of our buyers for maintenance problems, FAQs, all that kind of stuff, maybe different ways of trying out buying and stuff. They'll see what works. They'll see what doesn't work.

Regardless, they're not going to sell a huge number. And so, like if it's a success, it's nice. It's not a big deal. If it's a failure, unfortunate, but also not a huge deal. It's not like something that they were counting on selling like 500,000 units a year in the US and they completely botch it and now are only selling like 100,000.

Like the guy was saying that he actually wanted to start selling 500e here sooner. However, it's been such a huge success over like in Europe that they haven't been able to afford to allocate any for the US.

And also, the thing is the US market is such a small drop in the bucket for the Fiat brand in general that like it's not a big priority. And so, they can't really justify it selling those cars. But also, like they don't have to necessarily worry about not selling a lot here because they're selling a lot elsewhere. So that kind of helps offset small sales in the US.

So basically, it's a test brand for them. It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I hope it goes well, because I do think the car is neat. And I-- and also, it kind of sounds like the performance Abarth version that will be shown in a couple of weeks will be kind of dependent on whether or not the Fiat 500e sells well in the US. So and since I would really like to see the Abarth here in the US, I'm hoping that it goes well.

But yeah, it should be interesting. And also, Fiat is only going to sell 500e basically once. Because 500x is going to be on its way out. Once that generation is done, they're discontinuing it for the US. And then it'll just be 500e.

GREG MIGLIORE: Well, that is-- that's an interesting approach. But I also think Fiat has never really had much of a beachhead in the United States. So if you're going to do it, you might as well try to like, you know, go to daylight, shoot the gap. Like a small city electric car, could be a market for that. Especially if they price it right and it offers enough usable range.

You know, we've both driven the 500. And it is-- like it's more of a car than say like a smart car or something. Like it is more substantial than some of the other truly small like things out there that you would just prefer not to drive. So you know, it's kind of fun. It's quirky. It's got that like Italian version of like a Mini almost.

Like I could definitely see people in like New York, Montreal, Chicago, Boston, Detroit if you maybe live downtown, like this is your car. You charge it. I mean, it could even be part of like, you know, they haven't said this, but it could be part of like a car sharing type of thing where like it's like a fleet of them or something.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: Well, they actually did mention that.

GREG MIGLIORE: Oh.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: The brand manager was saying that he-- the way he put it was, he sees this as a car for people with large driveways where they have various other cars, or possibly people without driveways--

GREG MIGLIORE: Ah, OK.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: --where they're just--

GREG MIGLIORE: All right.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: --like using it as part of a car share program or some other kind of alternative ways of owning it, maybe subscription service or something.

GREG MIGLIORE: It's interesting. Because when you do look at electric and small car, and maybe you live in an area where you don't need a large vehicle for your daily use anyway, that's when subscriptions do start to make more sense than the way they were initially sold, which, you know, theoretically makes sense, but in practical matters never made any sense.

So you start to see how some of these things could sort of come together if they were to approach it that way, especially with a vehicle like this. And I'm also like a-- I'm somebody who likes more brands, more cars, all shapes and sizes. Like I know there's definitely people who say, they don't need to do this. Or why are they doing this? Or this doesn't fit.

Very seldom do I say that. Like even if it's like a totally like, you know, bonkers idea, I'm like, all right. Cool. It's another thing for us to test, to talk about, to write about, for people to have a choice to maybe try. You know, this one on paper is, it-- theoretically, I see what they're going for.

I don't know if it'll work the way they think it can because it's just, time and again we've seen small cars and small electric cars not find a niche of the United States. But I could be wrong. And I frankly hope I am. And I'm glad they're doing it is I guess the way the finest of points I could put on to this. So and I would love to drive a Fiat 500 again. They're fun.

JOEL STOCKSDALE: And something else that you mentioned was that of all the models that Fiat has tried here in the US, the regular 500 line was the most successful.